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A lot of the information here came from The Suspension Setup for sportbikes website so it only seems fair to mention it here even if it seems to have vanished from the web.

There's also a lot of other information I've gleaned from various sites over the years. Please, if any of this informatin is yours and you feel I'm infringing your copyright, let me know and I'll either respect the copyright or remove the information at your request. Ta.

Introduction

Unfortunately there is no literature that can give you the perfect machine setup. Also suspension setup is individually dependent on the rider (style, preference) and track conditions, which vary from race to race. We can therefore only try to give you guidelines and ground rules for the chassis setup of your machine.

General guideline

The general guideline in road racing isthat the suspension has to support the tyres to create the best possible grip. For this reason suspension plays it's most important role in corners, chicanes, acceleration and braking. In the straight line the suspension works satisfactory if it can absorb the bumps without causing instability.

Suspension stroke

A road race bike should normally not use its full suspension stroke, although on some circuit one or two big bumps or hollows can cause the suspension to bottom. Also landing of front wheel after wheelies can cause excessive use of the front fork stroke. If suspension bottoms in big bump or hollow, it should not automatically mean that the suspension should be set more hard. However, if suspension bottoms at the place were the maximum grip is essential the tyre cannot create the best traction, because it also has to perform as spring. Adjusting the setting is necessary. During every riding session the suspension stroke should be carefully checked.When tyre grip and lap times improve, the suspension has a harder job. So, setting must be set harder. On the opposite, when it starts raining tyre grip and lap times go down, in that case a softer setting should be applied.

Suspension setup

Before starting suspension setup, read the owners manual!
A tip, do your changes in suspension setup one by one, try to learn what effect each individual adjustment has on your bike and take notes!

Static sag without rider

Hold the bike upright on a flat surface. Independently lift front and rear until the suspension is fully extended, the value should be approximately:

Type Front sag Rear sag
Super Bike 20-30 mm 5-10 mm
Super Sport 20-30 mm 5-10 mm
RR 250 15-25 mm 0-5 mm
RR125 15-25 mm Just top out 0 mm

Note: An RR 125 cannot afford to loose the momentum that the sag would give in a straight line (loss of top speed). The static sag is adjusted by the spring preload. The procedure is the same for the front fork and rear shock

Static sag with rider

The accepted manner to adjust the spring ratio is to measure how much stroke is used with the rider sitting on the bike in straight line position (behind fairing) after you have set the correct static sag without rider. Normally 1/3 of the full stroke is a good starting point for all machines. This is only a guide line for the right spring ratio. The final check must be done on the circuit.

Note: Ohlins racing shocks features a "top-out" spring to prevent the shock from extending to quickly, causing the rear wheel to jump under braking. The top-out spring also effects the negative sag, making it difficult to adjust the sag with the shock on the bike.

Your Ohlins shock is delivered with the correct spring preload set and we recommend you to use this value for the basic setup. Ride height should be adjusted with the ride height adjuster on the bike or on the shock.

Rebound damping

*Rear suspension
Too much rebound damping can cause:

- The rear "jumps" on the bumps instead of following the surface.
- The rear "jutters" under braking.
- It holds the rear down with the result that the bike will understeer!
- It can cause overheating in the hydraulic system of the shock absorber and make it fade, in other words, it will loose damping when hot.

Too little rebound damping can cause:
- The rear "tops out" too fast under braking, causing the rear wheel to jump
- The bike feels unstable.

*Front suspension
Too much rebound damping can cause:

- Oversteering!
- It will give poor grip of the front tyre.
- It feels like the front wheels will tuck under in corners.

Too little rebound damping can cause:
- Understeer!
- The front can feel unstable.

Compression damping

Rear suspension
Too much compression damping can cause:

- The rear wheel to slide under acceleration .
-It can give a harsh ride over bumps.

Too little compression damping can cause:
- The rear wheel start to bump sideways under acceleration out of the corner.
- The bike will squad too much (rear is too low), that will cause the front to loose grip.

Front suspension
Too much compression damping can cause:

- Good result during braking.
- Feels harsh over the bumps.

Too little compression damping can cause:
- Strong diving of the front.

Adjustment advice:
Compression damping should be adjusted together with front fork oil level.

Spring ratio

Rear
Too hard spring ratio:

- Gives easy turning into corners.
- Makes the rear feel harsh.
- Create poor rear wheel traction.

Too soft spring ratio:
- Gives good traction in acceleration.
- Creates understeer in entry of corner.
- Makes too much suspension travel which will make it difficult to "flick" the bike from one side to the other in a chicane.
- Will give a light feeling in the front.

Front
Too hard spring ratio:

- Good under braking.
- Creates understeer.
- It feels harsh in the corners.

Too soft spring ratio:
- Gives easy turning into corners.
- Creates oversteer.
- Can cause front to tuck under.
- Bad under braking (diving).

Front fork oil level

First see manual. The modern front fork of cartridge type is very sensitive for oil Ievel changes, because of the small air volume Air inside the front fork works as a spring. The different level of oil effects the spring ratio from the middle of the stroke and has a very strong effect at the end of the stroke.

When the oil level is raised:
The air spring in the later half stage of travel is stronger, and thus the front forks harder.

When the oil level is lowered:
The air spring in the later half stage of travel is lessened, and thus the front forks are softer. The oil level works most effectively at the end of the fork travel.

Note: Adjust the oil level according to your manual.

BASIC SETUP - Check the following first:

bulletForks/Rear Shock - Race sag 25-30 mm, 1 - 1 3/16 inch
bulletForks/Rear Shock - Street sag 30-35 mm, 1 3/16 - 1 3/8 inch
bulletCheck chain alignment. If not correct, sprocket wear is increased.
bulletProper tire balance and pressure. If out of balance, there will be vibration in either wheel
bulletSteering head bearings and torque specifications, If too loose, head will shake at high speeds.
bulletFront end alignment. Check wheel alignment with triple clamps. If out of alignment, fork geometry will be incorrect and steering will suffer.
bulletCrash damage, check for proper frame geometry.

TROUBLESHOOTING FORK DAMPING PROBLEMS

Fork Adjustment Locations:

bulletRebound adjustment (if applicable) is located near the top of the fork.
bulletCompression adjustment (if applicable) is located near the bottom of the fork.
bulletSpring preload adjustment (if applicable) is generally hex style and located at the top of the fork.

Forks - Lack of Rebound:

Symptoms

bulletForks are plush, but increasing speed causes loss of control and traction.
bulletThe motorcycle wallows exiting the turn causing fading traction and loss of control.
bulletWhen taking a corner a speed, you experience front-end chatter, loss of traction and control.
bulletAggressive input at speed lessons control and chassis attitude suffers.
bulletFront end fails to recover after aggressive input over bumpy surfaces.

Solution

Insufficient rebound - Increase rebound "gradually" until control and traction are optimized and chatter is gone.

Forks - Too Much Rebound:

Symptoms

bulletFront end feels locked up resulting in harsh ride.
bulletSuspension packs in and fails to return, giving a harsh ride.
bulletTypically after the first bump, the bike will skip over subsequent bumps.
bulletWith acceleration, the front end will tank slap or shake violently due to lack of front wheel tire contact.

Solution

Too much rebound - Decrease rebound "gradually" until control and traction are optimized.

Forks - Lack of Compression:

Symptoms

bulletFront-end dives severely, sometimes bottoming out over heavy bumps or during aggressive breaking
bulletFront feels soft or vague similar to lack of rebound.
bulletWhen bottoming, a clunk is heard. This is due to reaching the bottom of fork travel.

Solution

Insufficient compression - Increase "gradually" until control and traction are optimized.

Forks - Too Much Compression:

Symptoms

bulletFront end rides high through the corners, causing the bike to steer wide. It should ride in the middle of suspension travel.
bulletFront wheel bounces over bumps while ripples and bumps are felt directly in the triple clamps and through the chassis.
bulletRide is generally hard, and gets even harder when braking or entering turns.

Solution

Too much compression - Decrease compression "gradually" until the bike neither bottoms or rides high, and control and traction are optimized.

Symptom

bulletFront end chatters or shakes entering turns. This is due to incorrect oil height and/or too much low speed compression damping

Solution

First, verify that oil height is correct. If correct, then decrease compression "gradually" until chattering and shaking ceases.

TROUBLESHOOTING SHOCK DAMPING PROBLEMS

Shock Adjustment Locations:

bulletRebound adjustment (if applicable) is located at the bottom of the shock.
bulletCompression adjustment (if applicable) is located at the top of the shock or on the reservoir.
bulletSpring preload is located at the top of the shock.

Shock - Lack of Rebound:

Symptoms

bulletThe ride will feel soft or vague and as speed increases, the rear end will want to wallow and/or weave over bumpy surfaces and traction suffers.
bulletLoss of traction will cause rear end to pogo or chatter due to shock returning too fast on exiting a corner.

Solution

Insufficient rebound - Increase rebound until wallowing and weaving disappears and control and traction are optimized.

Shock - Too Much Rebound:

Symptoms

bulletRide is harsh, suspension control is limited and traction is lost.
bulletRear end will pack down, forcing the bike wide in corners, due to rear squat. It will slow steering because front end is riding high.
bulletWhen rear end packs in, tires generally will overheat and will skip over bumps.
bulletWhen chopping throttle, rear end will tend to skip or hop on entries.

Solution

Too much rebound - Decrease rebound "gradually" until harsh ride is gone and traction is regained. Decrease rebound to keep rear end from packing.

Shock - Lack of Compression:

Symptoms

bulletThe bike will not turn in entering a turn.
bulletWith bottoming, control and traction are lost.
bulletWith excessive rear end squat, when accelerating out of corners, the bike will tend to steer wide.

Solution

Insufficient compression - Increase compression "gradually until traction and control is optimized and/or excessive rear end squat is gone.

Shock - Too Much Compression:

Symptoms

bulletRide is harsh, but not as bad as too much rebound. As speed increases, so does harshness.
bulletThere is very little rear end squat. This will cause loss of traction/sliding. Tire will overheat.
bulletRear end will want to kick when going over medium to large bumps.

Solution

Too much compression - Decrease compression until harshness is gone. Decrease compression until sliding stops and traction is regained.

   
bulletFront Fork Problems 
bulletPossible Cure
bulletRace sag too small -
bulletReduce preload.
bulletRace sag too great -
bulletIncrease preload.
bulletForks compress too far on smooth turns -
bulletStiffer springs, increase preload.
bulletForks dive too far (bottom out) -
bulletStiffer springs, reduce air gap, possibly increase preload.
bulletAlways losing front end on corner entry -
bulletSofter springs, adjust weight distribution.
bulletFront end chatters coming out of corners -
bulletSofter rebound springs or main springs, reduce damping.
bulletBike difficult to turn in -
bulletSofter springs, reduce preload or compression damping, alter steering geometry
bulletFront wheel skips on bumps -
bulletSofter springs, reduce compression damping, increase air gap.
bulletForks judder when braking on a straight -
bulletReduce compression damping.
bulletForks dive too fast -
bulletIncrease compression damping.
bulletForks pump down on fast bumpy corners -
bulletReduce rebound damping.
bulletExcessive pogo action through chicanes -
bulletSlightly increase rebound damping.
bulletFront end shakes (not chatters) in corners -
bulletIncrease rebound damping.
bulletFront end shoots up too fast after braking - 
bulletIncrease rebound damping.

   
bulletRear Shock Problems
bulletPossible Cure
bulletRace sag too great -
bulletIncrease preload.
bulletRace sag too small -
bulletReduce preload.
bulletRear squats on acceleration -
bulletStiffer spring, increase anti-squat angle, slightly increase compression damping.
bulletVery Harsh ride over ripples -
bulletReduce compression damping.
bulletBike wallows - 
bulletIncrease rebound damping.
bulletRear jacks up too fast on braking -
bulletIncrease rebound damping.
bulletRear end chatters exiting slow corners -
bulletIncrease rebound damping.
bulletBike kicks off ripples or bounces on bumps -
bulletIncrease rebound damping.
bulletRear end pumps down on bumpy corners -
bulletReduce rebound damping.

LACK OF COMPRESSION DAMPING  ( Front Fork )

bulletFront end dive while on the brakes becomes excessive.
bulletRear end of motorcycle wants to "come around" when using front brakes aggressively.
bulletFront suspension "bottoms out" with a solid hit under heavy braking and after hitting bumps.
bulletFront end has a mushy and semi-vague feeling, similar to lack of rebound damping.

 

TOO MUCH COMPRESSION DAMPING  ( Front Fork )

bulletOverly harsh ride, especially right at the point when bumps and ripples are contacted by the front wheel.
bulletBumps and ripples are felt directly - the initial hit is routed through the chassis instantly, with big bumps bouncing the tire off the pavement.
bulletThe bike's ride height is affected negatively - the front end winds up riding too high in the corners.
bulletBrake dive is reduced drastically, though the chassis is upset significantly by bumps encountered during braking.

 

LACK OF REBOUND DAMPING  ( Front Fork )

bulletThe fork offers a supremely plush ride, especially when riding straight up.  However, when the pace picks up the feeling of control is lost.  The fork feels mushy, and traction "feel" is poor.
bulletAfter hitting bumps at speed, the front tire tends to chatter or bounce.
bulletWhen flicking the bike into a corner at speed, the bike will tend to "porpoise" or wallow a bit, before settling down.  Getting aggressive with the controls makes it worse.  As speed increases and steering inputs become more aggressive, chassis attitude and pitch become a real problem, with the front traction feedback going numb after the bike is countersteered hard into a turn.

 

TOO MUCH REBOUND DAMPING  ( Front Fork )

bulletThe ride is quite harsh - just the opposite of the plush feet of too little rebound.  Rough pavement makes the forks feel as if they're locking up with stiction and harshness.
bulletUnder hard acceleration exiting bumpy corners, the front end feels like it wants to "wiggle" or "tankslap." The tire feels as if it isn't staying in contact with the pavement when on the gas.
bulletThe harsh, unforgiving ride makes the bike hard to control when riding through dips and rolling bumps at speed.  The suspension's reluctance to maintain tire traction through these sections erodes rider confidence.

 

LACK OF COMPRESSION DAMPING  ( Rear Shock )

bulletToo much rear end "squat" under acceleration - bike wants to steer wide exiting corners (since chassis is riding rear-low/nose-high).
bulletHitting bumps at speed causes the rear to bottom, which upsets the chassis.
bulletChassis attitude affected too much by large dips and "G-outs" - steering and control become difficult due to excessive suspension movement.

 

TOO MUCH COMPRESSION DAMPING  ( Rear Shock )

bulletRide is harsh, though not quite as bad as too much rebound - however, the faster you go the worse it gets. 
bulletHarshness hurts rear tire traction over bumps, especially during deceleration.
bulletThere is very little rear end "squat" under acceleration.
bulletMedium to large bumps are felt directly through the chassis - when hit at speed, the rear end kicks up.

 

LACK OF REBOUND DAMPING  ( Rear Shock )

bulletThe ride is plush at cruising speeds, but as the pace increases, the chassis begins to wallow and weave through bumpy corners.
bulletPoor traction over bumps under hard acceleration - rear tire starts to chatter due to lack of wheel control.
bulletExcessive chassis pitch through large bumps and dips at speed - rear end rebounds too fast, upsetting chassis with a pogo-stick action.

 

TOO MUCH REBOUND DAMPING  ( Rear Shock )

bulletVery harsh ride - rear suspension compliance is poor and "feel" is vague.
bulletPoor traction over bumps during hard acceleration (due to lack of suspension compliance).
bulletBike wants to run wide in corners since the rear end is "packing down" - this forces a nose-high chassis attitude, which slows down steering.
bulletRear end wants to hop and skip when the throttle is chopped during aggressive corner entries.  

 

 

 

 

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